A inflation event some 13:9 billion years ago.
Touchofgrey
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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Touchofgrey
Love was not the fundamental thing that caused our solar system to come into existence, but rather the collapse of a star ,a supernova which led to the evolution of our solar system including the earth some 4.6 billion years ago, then the bombardment of the earth with asteroids bringing water etc to the earth and then the earth went under a violent time with volcanoes and earthquakes and the movement of the tectonic plates.
And even after that there has been 5 mass extinctions events the last one some 65 million years ago which wiped out the dinosaurs and almost all life forms.
But thankfully life forms did survive and led to the evolution and humans.
Love was not responsible for any of these things and neither was any of the 3 to 5 thousand major gods that were invented by humans ,not even the trinitys of god that existed before the Christian one evolved.
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Ebion
by peacefulpete inearly christianity was every bit, if not more, diverse than christianity today.
one of the very early sects was named the ebionites.
we have unfortunately nothing left of their own writings apart from a few quotes from what epiphanius believed was their recension of matthew.
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Touchofgrey
Thanks peacefulpete
Always enjoy the reading your posts.
Phizzy, I used to get dragged along to the meetings in whitstable over 50 years ago.
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Telling People You Used To Be A JW
by JW_Rogue insince i faded i've told a few people at work about having been raised in this organization but i found that most people don't really get what it is like at all.
they just focus on not celebrating holidays as if that is the worst thing about growing up jw.
i didn't explain much because it's too much for most people to handle.
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Touchofgrey
We are all victims/ survivors of a high control group and deal with it the best we can individually.
Depending on the situation I will let people know that I used to be a jw ,often people will sympathise as they know or knew someone who has had a bad experience with jws eg someone who has been disowned by their family etc.
Occasionally someone will try and preach to me about their beliefs I just make them aware that I am a atheist now ,there reply is generally that I never really believed.
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Babylonian Job
by peacefulpete inthose new to ancient near east paleography may find it interesting that all cultures have struggled with the seeming injustice of suffering.
the story of job (persecuted/attacked) is one of a number of surviving poetic and prose tales with the theme of the innocent suffering despite entreaties to their gods.
this one often called "poem of the righteous sufferer" is sometimes referred to as the babylonian job.
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Touchofgrey
Thanks peacefulpete
So this predates the bible's version of job by about a 1000 years, is that correct .
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Why GB Distorts the Story of Job
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/lpwusxk8ckc?si=d4nb1ciwccql8dox.
a man, like new gb member jody jodele, dripping in wealth—$20,000 rolex, freemasonry ring, cushy life in upstate new york—pontificating about job’s suffering.
it’s a fair jab to question how someone so detached from hardship might approach a story of utter loss.
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Why GB Distorts the Story of Job
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/lpwusxk8ckc?si=d4nb1ciwccql8dox.
a man, like new gb member jody jodele, dripping in wealth—$20,000 rolex, freemasonry ring, cushy life in upstate new york—pontificating about job’s suffering.
it’s a fair jab to question how someone so detached from hardship might approach a story of utter loss.
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Touchofgrey
Can you provide archaeological and historical and external scholarly evidence that job was a real person and not just a mythical person and that the events took place in the time scale that the bible claims it did .
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Touchofgrey
Your personally free to shun anyone who you decide deserves to be cut out off your life.
But the issue as I understand it ,is when you try to influence others to shun the individual and encourage them to cut off association with the individual .
So when jws make a announcement saying touchofgrey is no longer a jws ,they are basically telling everyone who hears the announcement to shun them, that's when it could be considered a hate crime.
Which is probably why they are saying it's up to the individual to decide whether they will shun the individual or not ,but as usual they are speaking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.
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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?
by liam inmay 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.
what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.
now the wt is saying that's not enough.
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Touchofgrey
The consensus of biblical scholars is that the gospels were written around the time of and after the destruction of Jerusalem, mark around 70ce and Matthew and Luke about ten years later, so they are not books of prophecy ,so the unknown authors just recorded events that had already taken place.